Elle Beau ❇︎
2 min readJun 19, 2022

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I didn't say she was anything - I said her comments were both misandrist and misogynistic. There's a difference - if we are going to be particular here. And I was making my inferences directly from her words. She said things like, "Perhaps, household, is not a place where a dad’s soul wants to be. And by forcing himself into the confines of his domestic duties, he betrays his destiny, so to speak." Since she has not qualified that by saying that this might be true for many mothers as well, and has said other things that indicate that only men need to connect to a larger purpose, I don't think it's out of line to point out that it implies that mothers do belong with domestic duties, that this IS their destiny. “Our civilization is built by men marching off towards horizons, leaving families behind.” She doesn’t say that this is also OK for women. She justifies men and only men leaving children and their mothers to be unprovided for both emotionally and monetarily.

She's also made weird sweeping generalizations that she applies to all men. I have no issue at all with someone saying that perhaps the box of American suburban life is soul-killing for many people, but when you state that it's only true for men and that it's true for all men, who then have a license to not pay child support, or be emotionally available to their children because of it, I'm not OK with that. That's not magic, and it's not noble. It can't be justified by saying that men have always been called away, because that's only true since the advent of patriarchy, about 6k years ago. And she's specifically refused to acknowledge that this is the case, that this social system has anything to do with it, when it actually has a whole lot to do with it — which was the main thesis of my OP.

I appreciate your attempt to find a broader and less offensive reason for this woman's comments, but I've dealt with her before, and she has a habit of being reflexively argumentative, making assertions that don't hold water and that she can't defend, and just generally objecting to anyone who says anything that is remotely challenging to how the way that men are raised in patriarchy is harmful - both to them and to others.

Edit: Also, when I gave her the chance to clarify what she meant, she didn’t.

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Elle Beau ❇︎
Elle Beau ❇︎

Written by Elle Beau ❇︎

I'm a bitch, I'm a lover, I'm a child, I'm a mother, I'm a sinner, I'm a saint. I do not feel ashamed. I'm your hell, I'm your dream, I'm nothing in between.

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