I stopped trying to talk to the Penguin a while ago since he cares nothing for logic or reason, creating all sorts of mental gymnastics to defend his assertions. He pretends that he's progressive but it's clearly a ruse which he may very well believe in from a cognitive dissonance place, but it really doesn't stand up to scrutiny. He seems to believe that socialism will somehow cure racism, even though he lives in the UK which already has a fair amount of democratic socialism and still plenty of racism.