Your comments don't make any practical sense in the context of that particular question - particularly given the fact that these same men have been refusing to listen to women with non-judgement or curiosity. Trust is a two-way street and when so many men reflexively defend patriarchy because they think it’s a synonym for men, listening to them try to explain their subconscious processes that they have little awareness of isn’t going to move the ball.

“You’re killing yourselves and making everyone else miserable” ought to be enough, but it isn’t because of a deeply entrenched attachment to the power dynamics of masculinity.